Apple does have a history of going their own when third parties drop the ball. Apple made Safari after Microsoft let IE 5 for Mac languish for so long, and started the retail stores after their partnership with CompUSA turned out to be worth squat and selling even less. But I don't think that's what's going on here. Here, Apple needed decent Exchange support in the iPhone to be taken seriously in the enterprise, and then figured what the hell, let's bring it to Snow Leopard.
I'm interested in how much this feature will be used. I doubt many enterprise IT departments will support iCal over Entourage, or that many small businesses will have Exchange servers. Maybe people who just want to check in from their home computers every once in a while?
hmm... now this *could* be a coincidence, and a simple glitch, but comments on that article at AppleInsider appear to have been disabled... the comment counter at the bottom reads "-1" and is a broken link if you try and follow it. Like I say, could just be coincidence... LMAO!!
melo
· 3 months ago
oh. my. god.
I think Dildo just got a new one.
havochaos
· 3 months ago
There is also the issue of 10.6 can only connect to Exchange 2007. And there are still quite a few companies still running 2003.
The Angry Drunk
· 3 months ago
Anyone who thinks that Exchange support for Snow Leopard will magically satisfy the need for proper Exchange clients is a gods damned moron, but then again we already knew that Dildo satisfies that criteria. What Snow Leopard Exchange support does do is remove one more barrier to entry for the optional use of Macs in companies like mine. Companies where no one uses more than 10% of the functionality in Exchange anyway (I swear that the next time I have to explain to some dolt manager that my availability is up-to-date on Exchange, so look it the fuck up there I'm going to castrate someone).
EWS support is also great for someone like me who wants to have a limited conduit into Exchange from home, but doesn't need Entourage. I used it to replace the idiotic set of links I had set up between Outlook, Google Calendar and iCal just to remind myself when I had a meeting.
Wrinkle In Time
· 3 months ago
So, Apple Canada does a Snow Leopard Server presentation for a bunch of us two weeks ago. When they got to the point where they had to mention webmail, the SE embarrassedly flashed up the SquirrelMail login page and made some comment about being stuck in the 1990's before moving on to the next topic.
I was interested to see how mature 10.6 Server's mail/calendar/contact features are, but was singularly unimpressed. OK, it's a .0 release. We are happily running Kerio Mail Server on OS X and I can testify to how mature a product it is. Our infrastructure is almost entirely Mac-based, so MS Exchange server and MS Outlook clients are not an issue for us.
Thank the fuck.
One very minor point in Dilger's favour: he seems to have stopped writing AppleInsider articles under his sock-puppet-porn-name "Prince MacLean" (which sounds like a genital-rectal piercing).
ringring
· 3 months ago
Potty mouth.
justcause
· 3 months ago
why is it that people can't argue the point, it seems that people must digress to acting like children and calling each other names
Nadyne Richmond
· 3 months ago
The article has since been updated (and its original comment thread completely deleted, which is a shame). Some of the more glaring inaccuracies have been addressed.
Although I still can't figure out what he's doing with the whole App Store argument. It's rather perplexing.
The Angry Drunk
· 3 months ago
You know, this fucking bullshit pisses me off to no end (not your comment Nadyne, the behavior you pointed out). Why the fuck do assholes like Dildo think that, just because online publishing allows you to rewrite a shit-tastic article and republish it under the same URL that doing so is even vaguely permissible (and before some Dildo apologist points it out, yes the current version of the article admits that it's been white–washed, it's still bullshit.) If the "future of media" is dipshits "revising" their crap articles rather than cowboying up and admitting that they were wrong, then give me back the fucking printing press.
John C. Welch
· 3 months ago
oh, i bet i'll be getting the "I fixed it, change your post" email any day now then. I don't think he'll like the reaction.
John C. Welch
· 3 months ago
i can't figure out his obsession with MobileMe...that's just bizarre.
The Angry Drunk
· 3 months ago
I'm taking bets that the concern troll posting here as "ringring" is the same twat whining over on AppleInsider's comments that people pointing out that Dildo is, well, a dildo have "potty mouths." Or my sarcasm detector is broken, either or.
The Angry Drunk
· 3 months ago
I'm also willing to bet that ringring/Gazoobee are more of Dildo's multiple personalities.
John C. Welch
· 3 months ago
probably. He's not afraid to sockpuppet as convenient.
lowededwookie
· 3 months ago
It seems to me that the only douchebag here is the writer of this pathetic post that offers no real insight into anything.
Apple added Exchange support to Mail because Entourage is the biggest steaming pile of crap I have ever used. It can't even connect properly with Exchange Server of any version. It wasn't until I got a release of the as-yet-unreleased Office 2008 Business Edition the other day that I managed to get it working on our 2003 server at work. Mail doesn't support 2003 but that's largely down to Microsoft not allowing third parties to access older technology therefore Macs still can't connect to most corporates in terms of e-mail, at least not without going to Entourage which I said suck monkey balls.
I mean why the hell do I have to enter my password every time I close the app then reopen it? Didn't that level of access end like a million years ago?
Who are you that you have to run down someone who actually does some research whereas you get to criticise him with your own non-researched bull?
You say this absolutely retarded comment:
"While I'm quite sure that Apple handles the basics well enough, it's not going to match even Entourage's feature set, much less the featureset of an application no one knows about, namely Outlook."
You're pulling my tits aren't you? No one's ever heard of Outlook? You mean all those Windows losers out there are using a Microsoft product they've never even heard of? Outlook even used to be the default e-mail client on Mac OS 9 until M$ pulled the plug on it.
It's funny when you say that MobileMe isn't an Exchange replacement because your blind rage has turned you into a poor reader. He said (and you even quoted this):
"Secondly, it gives Apple a client audience to market its own server solutions, including MobileMe to individual users and Snow Leopard Server to organizations."
Now I don't know ANY individual users that have an Exchange server set up at home just so they can get access to their e-mail. Google, Mobile Me, and Yahoo yes but not Exchange. You wonder if Dilger's ever used Exchange and yet clearly you haven't either because you wouldn't come up with this crap. Dilger mentioned two separate groups here but in your mudslinging you've made it sound like he was only talking about one. When throwing mud don't throw it into the fan because it'll only stick to you.
The more you talk and the more you claim that you know what you're talking about the more that you give the impression the only monkey faeces around here is YOU.
It seems to me that you only rip into Dilger because A): you've got too much spare time on your hands but I guess that comes from not actually doing research into anything and just shooting off at the hip B): your real job must be Microsoft shill because anyone with an ounce of knowledge could see right through your pathetic miscreant ways.
Your blog is about as informative as unprinted toilet paper the only difference is that I can wipe my arse with toilet paper, I wouldn't even put this blog near my arse... you might get all excited.
John C. Welch
· 3 months ago
It seems to me that the only douchebag here is the writer of this pathetic post that offers no real insight into anything.
And yet here you are, spending no small amount of time crying about it. I bet you're a "Twilight" fanfic writer, aren't you.
Apple added Exchange support to Mail because Entourage is the biggest steaming pile of crap I have ever used. It can't even connect properly with Exchange Server of any version. It wasn't until I got a release of the as-yet-unreleased Office 2008 Business Edition the other day that I managed to get it working on our 2003 server at work. Mail doesn't support 2003 but that's largely down to Microsoft not allowing third parties to access older technology therefore Macs still can't connect to most corporates in terms of e-mail, at least not without going to Entourage which I said suck monkey balls.
1) Try having someone competent do your IT work. Hooking Entourage up to Exchange is not rocket science. Well, for you it is.
2) Really? Microsoft doesn't allow anyone to access older tech like MAPI and DAV? So all those third party MAPI connectors for Kerio, CGPro, et al don't really exist? The DAV connector that we use for Entourage to hook into Kerio isn't really there?
Maybe you should check that your facts really are facts, before you pretend they are.
I mean why the hell do I have to enter my password every time I close the app then reopen it? Didn't that level of access end like a million years ago?
That's because you aren't binding your Mac to Active Directory. If you bind your Mac to Active Directory, then you get to hook into Active Directory's Kerberos infrastructure, and you can take advantage of Entourage's support for Kerberized Exchange Accounts, and Single - Signon works like a charm. See? Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.
The other half of the battle is not staring at Scarlett's tits. GO JOE!
Who are you that you have to run down someone who actually does some research whereas you get to criticise him with your own non-researched bull?
Dildo was provably wrong, so wrong that he had to re-write half the article. So much for him doing research. You're not very good at this 'making a point' thing, are you.
You say this absolutely retarded comment:
"While I'm quite sure that Apple handles the basics well enough, it's not going to match even Entourage's feature set, much less the featureset of an application no one knows about, namely Outlook."
You're pulling my tits aren't you? No one's ever heard of Outlook? You mean all those Windows losers out there are using a Microsoft product they've never even heard of? Outlook even used to be the default e-mail client on Mac OS 9 until M$ pulled the plug on it.
You need to stop pulling on your parts for a minute. I was talking about the upcoming new version of Outlook on the Mac, which is what Dildo was talking about too. Reading comprehension, it's important. As well, *Outlook* was never the default e-mail client on the Mac. Outlook *Express* was for a while, but Outlook *Express* and *Outlook * were verrrry different applications.
Oh look, your grasp of facts suck as much as Dildo's.
It's funny when you say that MobileMe isn't an Exchange replacement because your blind rage has turned you into a poor reader. He said (and you even quoted this):
"Secondly, it gives Apple a client audience to market its own server solutions, including MobileMe to individual users and Snow Leopard Server to organizations."
Now I don't know ANY individual users that have an Exchange server set up at home just so they can get access to their e-mail. Google, Mobile Me, and Yahoo yes but not Exchange. You wonder if Dilger's ever used Exchange and yet clearly you haven't either because you wouldn't come up with this crap. Dilger mentioned two separate groups here but in your mudslinging you've made it sound like he was only talking about one. When throwing mud don't throw it into the fan because it'll only stick to you.
Quote-mining, you're doing it wrong. You "forgot" these little gems from Dildo:
"With Snow Leopard and the iPhone each now providing their own client layer for accessing Exchange Server, Apple can now offer its users alternative access to other server products as well, from its own MobileMe and Snow Leopard Server offerings to web services from Google and Yahoo."
and
"In concert with providing Exchange Server support, Apple is also delivering integrated support for its own Exchange alternatives in both MobileMe and with Snow Leopard Server's improved Dovecot email services, Address Book Server, iCal Server, the new Mobile Access secure gateway, and its included Push Notification Server."
Read that second one again. Dildo is *clearly* labeling MobileMe as an Exchange Replacement. You're kind of stupid, aren't you.
It seems to me that you only rip into Dilger because A): you've got too much spare time on your hands but I guess that comes from not actually doing research into anything and just shooting off at the hip B): your real job must be Microsoft shill because anyone with an ounce of knowledge could see right through your pathetic miscreant ways.
A) Dildo was factually incorrect all over the place. The fact he had to re-write major chunks of his post rather bears that out.
B) Your reply is not factually much better.
Tell me, is Dildo paying you for the hummer, or does even he have *some* standards?
John C. Welch
· 3 months ago
Oh, and your "review" of Mac OS X 10.6 contains numerous factual errors.
ianbetteridge
· 3 months ago
His "response" to you in the comments of that awful piece is pretty amusing too.
John C. Welch
· 3 months ago
LOL...i didn't see one specifically, but yeah, Dildo's a whiny bitch
ianbetteridge
· 3 months ago
Ahh, it's actually at the Roughly Dafted version of the post:
Basically, you're a very bad man who is to be ignored :)
Also, he's started sock-puppeting again in the AppleInsider comments. "Andrew Levi Black" is him - back when Daniel was trying to game Digg, "Levi Black" was a registered user who strangely only ever posted RD articles, using exactly the same kind of language as Daniel did when he posted to Digg. Obviously, the fact that quite a few AI readers are commenting on the (ahem) "erratic" nature of his posts has got him reverting to old habits.
In other Dilger news, he appears to have a book coming out, from Wiley. Holy mother of God.
Wrinkle In Time
· 3 months ago
Wow, he really is a recidivist sockpuppeter, isn't he? You inspired me to look for other examples. I think I found one.
There's a poster on reddit.com who has submitted nothing but articles from roughlydrafted.com and one from appleinsider.com (guess who wrote it). The poster's name is InCider (how obvious). This person's posted comments also touch on a lot of the same themes that Dilger does.
What's really amusing is that InCider has quite the potty mouth. My, my! Bring the smelling salts, Ima headin' for the couch.
PS: To anyone who thinks I'm being hypocritical by posting this under a pseudonym, that is different than sockpuppetting.
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I'm interested in how much this feature will be used. I doubt many enterprise IT departments will support iCal over Entourage, or that many small businesses will have Exchange servers. Maybe people who just want to check in from their home computers every once in a while?
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Otherwise, we love it when you get all frothy.
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Like I say, could just be coincidence... LMAO!!
I think Dildo just got a new one.
EWS support is also great for someone like me who wants to have a limited conduit into Exchange from home, but doesn't need Entourage. I used it to replace the idiotic set of links I had set up between Outlook, Google Calendar and iCal just to remind myself when I had a meeting.
I was interested to see how mature 10.6 Server's mail/calendar/contact features are, but was singularly unimpressed. OK, it's a .0 release. We are happily running Kerio Mail Server on OS X and I can testify to how mature a product it is. Our infrastructure is almost entirely Mac-based, so MS Exchange server and MS Outlook clients are not an issue for us.
Thank the fuck.
One very minor point in Dilger's favour: he seems to have stopped writing AppleInsider articles under his sock-puppet-porn-name "Prince MacLean" (which sounds like a genital-rectal piercing).
Although I still can't figure out what he's doing with the whole App Store argument. It's rather perplexing.
Apple added Exchange support to Mail because Entourage is the biggest steaming pile of crap I have ever used. It can't even connect properly with Exchange Server of any version. It wasn't until I got a release of the as-yet-unreleased Office 2008 Business Edition the other day that I managed to get it working on our 2003 server at work. Mail doesn't support 2003 but that's largely down to Microsoft not allowing third parties to access older technology therefore Macs still can't connect to most corporates in terms of e-mail, at least not without going to Entourage which I said suck monkey balls.
I mean why the hell do I have to enter my password every time I close the app then reopen it? Didn't that level of access end like a million years ago?
Who are you that you have to run down someone who actually does some research whereas you get to criticise him with your own non-researched bull?
You say this absolutely retarded comment:
"While I'm quite sure that Apple handles the basics well enough, it's not going to match even Entourage's feature set, much less the featureset of an application no one knows about, namely Outlook."
You're pulling my tits aren't you? No one's ever heard of Outlook? You mean all those Windows losers out there are using a Microsoft product they've never even heard of? Outlook even used to be the default e-mail client on Mac OS 9 until M$ pulled the plug on it.
It's funny when you say that MobileMe isn't an Exchange replacement because your blind rage has turned you into a poor reader. He said (and you even quoted this):
"Secondly, it gives Apple a client audience to market its own server solutions, including MobileMe to individual users and Snow Leopard Server to organizations."
Now I don't know ANY individual users that have an Exchange server set up at home just so they can get access to their e-mail. Google, Mobile Me, and Yahoo yes but not Exchange. You wonder if Dilger's ever used Exchange and yet clearly you haven't either because you wouldn't come up with this crap. Dilger mentioned two separate groups here but in your mudslinging you've made it sound like he was only talking about one. When throwing mud don't throw it into the fan because it'll only stick to you.
The more you talk and the more you claim that you know what you're talking about the more that you give the impression the only monkey faeces around here is YOU.
It seems to me that you only rip into Dilger because A): you've got too much spare time on your hands but I guess that comes from not actually doing research into anything and just shooting off at the hip B): your real job must be Microsoft shill because anyone with an ounce of knowledge could see right through your pathetic miscreant ways.
Your blog is about as informative as unprinted toilet paper the only difference is that I can wipe my arse with toilet paper, I wouldn't even put this blog near my arse... you might get all excited.
And yet here you are, spending no small amount of time crying about it. I bet you're a "Twilight" fanfic writer, aren't you.
1) Try having someone competent do your IT work. Hooking Entourage up to Exchange is not rocket science. Well, for you it is.
2) Really? Microsoft doesn't allow anyone to access older tech like MAPI and DAV? So all those third party MAPI connectors for Kerio, CGPro, et al don't really exist? The DAV connector that we use for Entourage to hook into Kerio isn't really there?
Maybe you should check that your facts really are facts, before you pretend they are.
That's because you aren't binding your Mac to Active Directory. If you bind your Mac to Active Directory, then you get to hook into Active Directory's Kerberos infrastructure, and you can take advantage of Entourage's support for Kerberized Exchange Accounts, and Single - Signon works like a charm. See? Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.
The other half of the battle is not staring at Scarlett's tits. GO JOE!
Dildo was provably wrong, so wrong that he had to re-write half the article. So much for him doing research. You're not very good at this 'making a point' thing, are you.
You need to stop pulling on your parts for a minute. I was talking about the upcoming new version of Outlook on the Mac, which is what Dildo was talking about too. Reading comprehension, it's important. As well, *Outlook* was never the default e-mail client on the Mac. Outlook *Express* was for a while, but Outlook *Express* and *Outlook * were verrrry different applications.
Oh look, your grasp of facts suck as much as Dildo's.
Quote-mining, you're doing it wrong. You "forgot" these little gems from Dildo:
"With Snow Leopard and the iPhone each now providing their own client layer for accessing Exchange Server, Apple can now offer its users alternative access to other server products as well, from its own MobileMe and Snow Leopard Server offerings to web services from Google and Yahoo."
and
"In concert with providing Exchange Server support, Apple is also delivering integrated support for its own Exchange alternatives in both MobileMe and with Snow Leopard Server's improved Dovecot email services, Address Book Server, iCal Server, the new Mobile Access secure gateway, and its included Push Notification Server."
Read that second one again. Dildo is *clearly* labeling MobileMe as an Exchange Replacement. You're kind of stupid, aren't you.
A) Dildo was factually incorrect all over the place. The fact he had to re-write major chunks of his post rather bears that out.
B) Your reply is not factually much better.
Tell me, is Dildo paying you for the hummer, or does even he have *some* standards?
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/09/05/inside...
Basically, you're a very bad man who is to be ignored :)
Also, he's started sock-puppeting again in the AppleInsider comments. "Andrew Levi Black" is him - back when Daniel was trying to game Digg, "Levi Black" was a registered user who strangely only ever posted RD articles, using exactly the same kind of language as Daniel did when he posted to Digg. Obviously, the fact that quite a few AI readers are commenting on the (ahem) "erratic" nature of his posts has got him reverting to old habits.
In other Dilger news, he appears to have a book coming out, from Wiley. Holy mother of God.
There's a poster on reddit.com who has submitted nothing but articles from roughlydrafted.com and one from appleinsider.com (guess who wrote it). The poster's name is InCider (how obvious). This person's posted comments also touch on a lot of the same themes that Dilger does.
What's really amusing is that InCider has quite the potty mouth. My, my! Bring the smelling salts, Ima headin' for the couch.
PS: To anyone who thinks I'm being hypocritical by posting this under a pseudonym, that is different than sockpuppetting.